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The Remnant with Jonah Goldberg

Episode 37: Effulgent Punditry

The Remnant with Jonah Goldberg

The Dispatch

Politics, News

4.76.6K Ratings

🗓️ 4 May 2018

⏱️ 74 minutes

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Summary

What is Stockholm Syndrome? Usually the term is reserved for hostage situations referencing a bank robbery that occurred in 1973 in Stockholm Sweden. After spending 6 days in a bank vault, the four hostages refused to testify against their captors and instead raised money for their defense. The term refers to the trauma bond developed between the captor and the hostages in which the hostages feel positive feelings such as empathy for the person that is causing them harm. This allows the captor to not feel remorse for their actions as the hostages don’t hold them responsible.

What are some other examples? One of the most famous cases of Stockholm Syndrome is the kidnapping of Patty Hearst in 1974 who denounced her family name and sided with her kidnappers in assisting them to rob banks. She was given a prison sentence that was later pardoned by President Bill Clinton.  Another example is Jaycee Dugard who was kidnapped at age 11 in 1991 and held hostage for 18 years bearing 2 children by her abuser. In her book, she explains the syndrome and how she formed a bond with both of her captors over the years.

Are there fewer extreme examples? Absolutely. A person currently living in an abusive situation often has this condition. This is the reason why many people don’t leave their abuser but instead, continue to hold onto the relationship. In the case of Bailey, she wanted to believe that her father was telling the truth so much that she accepted his assessment of her mental well-being as being crazy when she was not. Her desire to have a relationship with her father meant that she was ignorant of the different types of abuse, justified his abuse in therapy as the result of his childhood abuse and minimized any impact. The result was she honestly believed that she was the problem and not him.

How do you recover? The recovery process requires identification and awareness. This is one of the few times when googling a disorder is helpful. Hearing and seeing examples of other victims brings awareness at another level. It is often easier to see the problem in someone else’s story before identifying it in yours. Once an understanding has been established, rewriting the abuse needs to occur. This is time-consuming and should be done under the guidance of a therapist. A person with Stockholm Syndrome already has a hard time perceiving things correctly and needs professional assistance until a new, more accurate perception is developed.

How do you help someone with this? It is essential to develop a bond of trust that is based on empathy and not judgment. Those looking at the scenario from the outside in are often highly judgmental and critical of the victim’s behavior. The victim is already overloaded with feelings of inadequacy, shame, and guilt that are disproportionately attributed to their actions and not the abusers. To overcome this, they need unconditional love and acceptance and a ton of patience.

After addressing the Stockholm syndrome, Bailey finally began to do better. She no longer allowed her father’s abuse to impact her. Moving out of the house helped and in a short period she was thriving. Without getting the proper help, she might have never been able to achieve this. Be sure that if you or anyone else is experiencing this syndrome or something like it they seek out professional assistance.

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0:00.0

Greensteer listeners, this is another episode of the Remnant Podcast.

0:23.8

I'm Jonah Goldberg, your cruise director.

0:27.2

This week's episode, I technically don't know if this week's episode is brought to you by conversations with Bill Crystal.

0:33.2

There are advertisers this week, but we're doing two podcasts this week, and I did not bother to check with the salespeople to find out whether or not I should be reading the ad in both episodes.

0:42.2

But since I'm a fan of conversations with Crystal, I'm happy to say that this podcast too is brought to you by conversations with Crystal.

0:48.2

We'll hear more about that in a little while.

0:51.2

Today, I'm taking another Blereye break from Booktour stuff to basically do another rank-punditory episode and buy somewhat popular demand.

1:02.2

We have Tim Carney back with us. Hi, Tim.

1:06.2

Hi, Jonah.

1:08.2

You are the commentary editor of the Washington Examiner, my colleague here at the American Enterprise Institute.

1:14.2

You're the patriarch of an increasingly large separatist compound in suburban Maryland.

1:22.2

That's right.

1:23.2

And so I have a bone to pick with you.

1:25.2

But you've got to keep going. I'm assistant T-Bull Coach.

1:29.2

I am acting baseball commissioner at St. Andrew Apostle Parish, and I am assistant boys baseball coach at St. Andrew Apostle Parish.

1:38.2

Basically, you are a living cog of civil society.

1:42.2

As long as that involves a Catholic church in baseball, yes.

1:45.2

That's fun. That was count. It's a rich ecosystem.

1:49.2

So the reason why I was throwing a little shade at you about by somewhat popular demand is that the last time you were on, there was a lot of chatter about how it was a great podcast.

1:57.2

But at some point, someone asked you whether or not or someone brought up whether or not you were, you discussed Bigfoot, Arotica.

2:06.2

And you said, wait, what's that now?

2:09.2

And so it was very clear that you had not listened to at least some of our episodes because Bigfoot, Arotica is a recurring theme on this podcast.

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