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The Addicted Mind Podcast

Episode 368: Humble Pie: Hormones, Process Addictions, and Maintaining Long-Term Recovery in Menopause with Dana Bowman

The Addicted Mind Podcast

Duane Osterlind, LMFT

Medicine, Health & Fitness, Mental Health

4.7655 Ratings

🗓️ 19 January 2026

⏱️ 34 minutes

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Summary

In this episode, Duane Osterlind sits down with author Dana Bowman to discuss the often-overlooked intersection of long-term recovery and menopause. Dana opens up about her journey through "the second reckoning"—a period where hormonal shifts triggered intense anxiety, suicidal ideation, and the resurfacing of addictive behaviors like sugar addiction and "doom scrolling."

They explore the concept of process addictions, the importance of self-advocacy in medical settings, and how creativity can serve as a vital tool for navigating the "identity attack" that often accompanies aging. Dana’s story is a powerful reminder that recovery isn't a destination, but a deepening process that requires grace, honesty, and a willingness to "boop the monster on the nose."

Key Discussion Points

  • The "Invisible" Struggle of Menopause: Dana discusses how menopause is one of the least researched medical conditions, despite having over 70 potential symptoms. She highlights the specific danger for women in recovery: how hormonal anxiety can mimic the "dark days" of active addiction.
  • Process Addictions in Recovery: When the biological substance (alcohol) is removed, other behaviors often rush in to fill the void. Dana shares her personal struggle with sugar addiction, binge eating, and digital escapism as ways to cope with menopausal distress.
  • The Identity Attack: Aging and menopause can lead to "Invisible Woman Syndrome." Dana explains how surrendering to this new phase of life is similar to the initial surrender in early sobriety.
  • The "Boop" Rule: A family strategy for facing fears. Instead of running from anxiety or shame, Dana teaches listeners to look the "clown" in the eye and "boop" it on the nose—acknowledging its presence without letting it take control.
  • Medical Self-Advocacy: The importance of finding healthcare providers who understand the nuances of addiction and recovery when treating hormonal or mental health issues.

The Spectrum of Menopause Symptoms

Menopause is far more than just "hot flashes." It affects the physical, emotional, and cognitive systems, which can be particularly destabilizing for those maintaining long-term sobriety.

CategoryCommon Symptoms MentionedPhysicalJoint aches, insomnia, changes in hair/skin, exhaustion.EmotionalSevere anxiety, panic attacks, depression, suicidal ideation.BehavioralReturn of "shame circles," hiding behaviors, sugar cravings.Memorable Quotes

"Alcoholism waited for me... and that’s how I felt about the menopause symptoms because they’re so sneaky. You feel like your whole body is betraying you."

"Recovery is all about acceptance and surrender. It’s hard when it’s your own identity to really say, 'Who am I anymore?'"

"There are times when my soul just needs to be wrapped in bubble wrap, and I just really need to hunker down into that. And it's okay. It’s rest."

Resources Mentioned

  • Dana’s New Book: Humble Pie: Sober Menopause, Sugar Addiction, and The Sweetness of Recovery
  • Dana’s Previous Books: Bottled and How to be Perfect Like Me2
  • Website: DanaBowmanCreative.com
  • Social Media: Follow Dana on TikTok and Instagram @theDanaBo

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Transcript

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0:00.0

Welcome to another episode of the Addicted Mind podcast.

0:03.8

I'm your host, Dwayne Austerlund.

0:10.9

Menopausal symptoms, if you're in recovery, kind of can take you back and remind you of those, like, those really dark, maybe end days of drinking,

0:21.8

or even early sobriety kind of, it took me back to that.

0:25.1

So this was happening again.

0:26.8

I was waking up and I was just so distraught and so freaked out

0:29.9

and so anxious that I'd find myself in the same place.

0:33.1

And I had, for the first time in years,

0:36.3

I'd never had these thoughts.

0:38.2

I had a thought that said, you know, I think you should have a glass of wine.

0:41.9

Like, I think this is awful.

0:46.8

All right, everyone, I'm so glad you're here.

0:49.0

Today, we have an incredible guest joining us, Dana Bowman.

0:53.0

Dana is the author of the new book, Humble Pie,

0:56.9

sober menopause, sugar addiction, and the sweetness of recovery. She's also the author of two

1:03.6

other powerful books, Bottled, a Mom's Guide to Early Recovery, and that was a Kansas notable book

1:09.9

in 2018, and How to Be Perfect Like Me.

1:14.7

Dana is a TEDx speaker, a contributor to psychology today, and an occasional stand-up comedian,

1:20.7

and a passionate advocate for breaking shame, overcoming addiction, and embracing

1:25.3

life's transformations. In this episode, we're going to dive

1:29.2

into her latest book where she shares her deeply personal journey of sobriety, aging, and

1:36.2

navigating the challenges of menopause. Dana opens up about revisiting her early recovery

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