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podcast i would appreciate that oh my god you are not alone You have found other people.

You and I have a friend in common.

Every stupid thing that a writer could do I've done.

I think it's really beautiful.

Jesus, did it what I struggle, you know?

It was incredible.

You know, it's like your head exploded, seeing what was really there.

And now here's your host,ad listy just one person at just

one time everybody here we go again this is it this is other people this is occasionally repetitive

this is two relative strangers talking to one another in a hot filthy room how's it going i'm brad listy

i'm sitting in los angeles it is nice to be with you thank you for listening listening. I appreciate it. David L. Eulen is my

guest. He's a book critic for the Los Angeles Times and a recent recipient of a Guggenheim

fellowship. He's also an accomplished author. His latest book is called Sidewalking. Coming to terms

with Los Angeles. It is due out from the University of California Press in October. Very happy to have had the chance to speak with David. You'll be hearing from him in just a moment. Hey, do you need some new earbuds? Do you need some new headphones? Go to tweakeda audio.com. Enter the offer code other people, O-T-H-E-R-P-L, and you get 33% off of any purchase over at tweakedaio.com.

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So there's no baby yet, and the baby does not have a name.

We've made no progress.

That's what we do over here.

We make no progress.

We exist in a state of paralysis. We've made no progress. That's what we do over here. We make no progress. We exist in a state of

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