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. I am thrilled to be joined on Bad Day podcast today by Natasha Leonard.

Now, Natasha is a columnist for The Intercept.

She's also written for the Nation Book Forum in the New York Times, among others.

She's also the associate director of the creating publishing and

critical journalism graduate program at the New School for Social Research in New York and the author

of Being Numerous Essays on Non-Fascist Life. Welcome to the pot, Natasha. Hey, thank you so much.

Very happy to be here. Well, look, the reason I reached out is because you wrote this great piece last month called

Pro-Israel Advocates are weaponizing safety on college campuses.

And you get into the question of safetyism, whether or not the left kind of jump the shark

by opening the door to this safetyist critique, whether or not there's a substantive difference

between what has been described as safetyism by the right when they make criticisms of

snowflake leftists versus the way that pro-Israel students on these elite college campuses and

beyond have been weaponizing the idea of safetyism to basically suppress pro-Palestinian speech on campus.

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