Hello and welcome to Forever 35, a podcast about the things we do to take care of ourselves.

I'm Dori Shafere.

And I'm Elise Hugh, and we're just two friends who like to talk a lot about serums.

Welcome to the show. This is a Monday episode. Usually the line on Wednesdays is, and this is a

mini episode, but this is not a mini episode. This is a Monday episode. And on Monday episodes, we have

amazing guests on and we do kind of longer form interviews and today we have on

Maris Kreiseman who is an old friend of Doris who we will formally introduce later. But we catch up

first and so yeah. Did Maris tell you that we went to college together? She sure did. Yeah,

we sure did. We go like way, way, way back.

Yes, we actually have, I don't want to give too much away, but at the start of the

interview, like we started talking about kind of how the two of you are connected and we got

into Penn.

And then that led us down the road of like, G-love,

who has been a character on this podcast, who has been like a surprising recurring character.

Yes, he's recurring.

It's true.

Forever 35 conversations of 2025.

So, yeah, it was really lovely.

She has an essay in her forthcoming collection about

starting at Penn. And she doesn't mention you specifically, but she mentions another

classmate of y'all's Donnie Trump Jr. I'm a year older than Maris. Donnie was her year.

So yeah. Did you ever see him around campus?

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