Hello and welcome for ever 35, a podcast about the things we do to take care of ourselves.

I'm Dory Schaeffreier. And I'm Elise Hugh, and we are two friends who like to talk a lot about

serums. And we're still doing Money Month. We're still in it. I've learned a lot from Money Month

because as it turns out, I didn't know much. Well, my finances would indicate. I feel like

you're so good. I feel like you're so good with money. Like you... Well, my finances would indicate...

I feel like you're so good.

I feel like you're so good with money.

Like you have like a plan and stuff.

Well, I have somebody who helps manage like my retirement funds.

Right.

But I don't have a budget, but as it turns out from Dana Miranda, you don't need a budget. You don't need a budget. Right. But I don't have a budget, but as it turns out from Dana Miranda, you don't need a budget.

You don't need a budget. That's true.

I do a lot of intuitive spending. I just didn't know that's what it was called. So now I can be like, I just do intuitive spending.

It's not that I just wait until I run out of money. I just, I'm spending intuitively.

That's really funny. I mean, fair. I did, I did do some things early on in my career that my mother

insisted on because my mother is pretty good, like, with money and just planning in general.

And she's just a long-term thinker, and I'm not as much of a long-term thinker.

And she was like, oh, your companies, your companies do retirement match.

You must maximize your retirement match.

So whatever it was, even when I was making $14,900 a year,

I would do my like 6% or whatever retirement so that it could be matched. And that has grown

over time. So that's helpful. So these days, it's like, will we ever be able to retire? I don't know.

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