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Oh, my God.

You are not alone.

You have found other people.

You and I have a friend in common.

Every stupid thing that a writer could do I've done.

I think it's really beautiful.

Gee, stated what I struggle, you know? It was incredible. You know, it was like your head exploded, seeing what was really there. And now here's your host, Brad Listy. Just one person at just one time. Everybody, here we go again. This is it. This is other people. This is something you can distract yourself with. This is a good way to pretend like you're being social. How's it going out there? I'm Brad Listy. I'm in Los Angeles. It's good to be with you.

Thank you for listening. I appreciate it. My guest today is Kate DeSherry. Her new novel is called The Fine Art of Fucking Up. It's available now from Unnamed Press. Had a great talk with Kate. You're going to be

hearing that in just a minute. Before we get started, I do have some news. I thought I would share

some news with you. I'm pretty sure I'm going to be featured in the LA Weekly this week.

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