I think, you know, this idea of a worship leader, which I guess I'm not supposed to use that

phrase, but this idea, sorry, I went there.

You went there.

This idea of a song leader or one who leads worship, if you know what I mean, has, it was new for a while, right? We had the, we kind of had the worship minister,

which that's my title at church, which I'm cool with, but, or worship pastor. And that, you know,

that may even be a newer phrase, but this, even the using the word worship to mean music

or the service is sort of new. And so I think culture has sort of

tried to figure it out. And I think we're landing in a really good spot.

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Welcome to episode 351 of the Worship Probs podcast. It's going to be a great one. I'm here with the one and only, Ali Bahanos today. And I did sort of tricker into doing this with me, but that's a little trickeration.

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