the Green Party internal dynamics and so forth, became an impediment. They can go off and do their

thing, fine. But she ended up running anyway. I had no idea she was going to run anyway, right?

When we were working together, I had no idea. She's going to end up, right?

From an outsider's perspective, it seemed like she wasn't planning to run that she and others, as you've

described. She said she's addicted. She's addicted to running so that in the end, maybe. Why do you say that? The whole time. Maybe in the end, she was going to run the whole time. Didn't she and Chris Hedges and a bunch of people actively recruit you to be the ticket topper for the Green Party? You mean she as vice president?

What do you mean?

When you say, no, no, I'm saying wasn't she part of the effort to recruit you to be the top of the Green Party candidate?

Chris came forward and then talked to her.

And so we're thinking that we're all going to come together, unified left. We all

had these 17 states and we're on our way to 50. That's what the understanding was. I had no idea

that she would end up running for the Green Party. Now, if she had said so, I'm going to run against you. I'm going to run against you.

So are you saying that before you left the Green Party, she was still planning to compete with you

within the Green Party to be the Green Party nominee? Or did she decide to run after you left the Green Party?

Well, all I'm saying is she was addicted to running.

She said that to us explicitly, very candid.

I'm addicted to running beginning in 20 so-and-so and so-and-so.

And who knows, you know, exactly what was on her mind.

I mean, I was told by some folk that maybe from the very beginning it was going to be a matter of just being used and manipulated for an expansion of the party and then pushing me out.

Now, I was told that by Peter and us.

Now, Peter and her supposed to be so close, but it turns out that they don't really know

each other that well, because the distrust is such.

Nobody knows.

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