Coming out of 2016, I think gradually the Bernie movement McGovernized, it became more focused around the concerns of college educated Americans.

In the book I make a class distinction between the working class, people who work for a living

and don't go to college, the professional class, people who work for a living and do go to

college, and the oligarchs and employers who own businesses and derive money from rents or from investment. and go to college and people who do. That this split is in terms of what issues you tend to prioritize.

I think it is also a function of the drying up of opportunities

for people who do go to college.

It's become the case that many people who do go to college. It's become the case that many people who do go to college

no longer get the kinds of prestige jobs or roles

that pay well that they expected when they went,

that there's been an explosion, of course, of student debt.

So what we're finding is that lots of professionals are coming out of college, loaded up

with debt, with no choice but to take whatever jobs the market makes available.

These jobs are often not much better than traditional working class jobs,

especially if you think about those as what they used to mean in the 70s,

a steel mill job.

They're not better than those jobs, adjusted for inflation or in terms of living standards or access to health care or housing. They're not better. In some cases, they're worse.

An effect of this is that the, what I call the fallen professionals, the professionals who don't end up in the kinds of jobs that they hope that they would end up with, are bearing a lot of resentment and frustration. I think that's understandable and very sympathetic. I think that there is an invitation to them to direct that against the traditional workers who don't go to college, to look down on them in the way that a house slave would look down on a field slave.

To say, well, at least I've been to college and I've got the markers of education.

I know what words to use. I know how to talk, and these people, they're not educated,

they don't have those markers, they're not as good as me. They may think they're as good as I am because they make the same

money or they live in the same kind of house, but they're not actually as good as I am.

And this comes into our organizing and into our politics where if we have traditional workers

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