Just a perhaps predictable reaction against the forces of globalization that swept

through us during the 80s and 90s but left and the aughts perhaps but left

people behind.

And so you had a conglomeration of people who felt that they hadn't benefited

from globalization.

You saw this spread of inequality in Europe and in the United States and this is a kick back against that with

charismatic leaders who say look I'm out for you I'm out for the little guy whether you

are from the left or from the right doesn't matter it's the little guy against

the big guys the little guy's the little guy against the

establishment that is a common threat and there are three things that unite

this movement you know across countries it is a hostility to trade a feeling that globalization has gone too far.

It's a hostility of migration and a feeling that there's too much mixing,

particularly the irregular kind, and a fear also of the hegemonic left and what that's become.

It almost came after NAFTA. the hechamonic left and what that's become.

It always came after NAFTA here in the United States,

the reaction, the anti-globalist beginnings of that.

And the irony is that you hear from agricultural people, farmers as well as big agriculture

and big business that they need migration, they need labor.

We're developing a labor shortage here actually in the United States

but the border issue is certainly an immigration issue has the most

compelling force behind it. It doesn't make economic sense.

What is so fascinating is how it gets tied up with a pro-Russia thing.

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