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Episode 340 Promo - Our Task for 2024 (w/ Nathan J. Robinson)

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4.52.6K Ratings

🗓️ 22 January 2024

⏱️ 7 minutes

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Summary

Current Affairs founder, author, and famously accurate predictor of the 2016 election Nathan J. Robinson returns to Bad Faith to weigh in on the state of the 2024 race, how he predicted John Fetterman's fall, & what he thinks will happen in November. Brie and Nathan spar on the issue of political litmus tests and whether Brie should take the W on Gaza becoming a redline for voters rather than interrogating why it was that withholding votes from Biden was a much more radical proposition back in 2016 or 2020. Last election Bad Faith famously debated Noam Chomsky on the subject of whether the threat of Trump compelled leftists to vote blue no matter who in 2020. Would he change his mind in 2024 in light of the genocide in Gaza?

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Produced by Armand Aviram.
Theme by Nick Thorburn (@nickfromislands)

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0:00.0

I started out by saying at this point the Biden administration's policy really is so extreme that I don't think that it's very obvious that there would be meaningful differences.

0:11.6

If I think when I'm going at the voting booth,

0:13.4

okay, I need to make a consequentialist calculation.

0:15.9

What do I think I can bump towards the least worst outcome?

0:19.0

The Biden administration is now so extreme

0:21.9

that I really think it's totally up in the air.

0:23.9

I don't think you can make that decision very well.

0:26.6

Of course, we've left aside all the Trump domestic authoritarianism stuff,

0:30.7

which is a...

0:31.7

But certainly on Israel-Palestine, I don't know that you could make a lesser evil,

0:36.3

you can't even make a lesser-evil argument because I think the policies are going to be essentially

0:39.8

the same.

0:40.8

Let's go to the domestic stuff then, because here's the argument. The argument that

0:44.2

there's not that much difference there is that okay Trump did a January 6th he

0:49.4

conspired for two or three weeks before the election to try to submit a fake

0:52.4

slate of electors to undermine the

0:54.0

Democratic will of people in seven states across the United States so that he could win.

0:57.6

He is saying that he's going to be a dictator on day one, all of the things that the mainstream

1:01.6

news is chattering about these days. On the other hand,

1:04.8

Joe Biden and his surrogates have declared repeatedly that there will be no

1:08.4

primary. They rearrange the order of the primary states. They've tried to

1:12.1

they've kicked competitor

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