Hello, I'm Adrienne Dog.

And I'm Weir Donagin.

And whether we like it or not, we're in bed with the right.

So, Adrian, today we are talking about one of the weirdest items of gendered cultural production to emerge in 2024, a little show

on Hulu that's become a breakout hit called The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. Yep, and we watched

a lot of it yesterday. It is the kind of show that will make you feel actively stupider, but I feel a lot

smarter after talking to our guests today, Kate Kelly. Kate Kelly is kind of a feminist woman

about town. She's an activist. She's a human rights lawyer. She's worked at all kinds of progressive nonprofits and

political organizations. But her origin story is that Kay Kelly came to feminism as a Mormon, a young

Mormon wife, straight out of Utah, who attended Brigham Young, got married to a Mormon man at a, you know,

precocious age, the whole shebang. And early in her life, Kate founded an organization

within Mormonism called Ordain Women, which advocated, as the name suggests, for the ordination

of women to the Mormon priesthood.

And for that trespass, the Mormon church actually excommunicated Kate, which launched her

onto her adventurous life as a feminist in D.C. and a big advocate, among other things,

for the Equal Rights Amendment. So Kate is a really smart,

funny, perceptive interlocutor of Mormonism for a non-Mormon, you know, a sinner,

decadent, fallen secularist like us. Hey, speak for yourself. But she made me see this show in a new way, and I'm really glad we got to talk to her.

Absolutely.

So we say a little bit more about the show.

If you have not seen it, we do dive into it, like headfirst.

It is on Hulu.

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