Episode 34 - The Scapegoat

This Jungian Life Podcast

Joseph Lee, Deborah Stewart, Lisa Marchiano

Health & Fitness, Mental Health

4.7 • 2.1K Ratings

🗓️ 22 November 2018

⏱️ 73 minutes

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Summary

The archetype of the scapegoat goes back to the ancient Hebrew ritual of using two goats to expiate the sins of the tribe. Sin, blame, and wrongness are also often attributed to others, and this practice – scapegoating – is addressed as it occurs in current culture, in families, and in individual psychology.

The Dream:

I hiked to a “primitive” tribal village. I went there as a researcher, perhaps an anthropologist. As I was standing talking to one of the men, an angry woman with a crying infant stomped toward our area and plunged her infant (backside first) into a plastic basin of water as if to drown her. Bubbles came from the infant’s mouth while under water. I started to run over there to rescue the baby, but the man (or something) held me back. The woman pulled the baby out of the water, looked at her face briefly, and then plunged her back into the water – this time face down. At this, I immediately ran to the baby and pulled her out of the water. I held her face down and pounded on her back in an attempt to get the water out of her lungs. While I was watching/doing all of this, I was aware that I wanted to save the child, not because I cared about her, or because I cared about children in general, but because I knew what it felt like to drown. Water came out of the infant’s mouth, she coughed a lot, and then seemed okay. She was able to breathe. The angry mother had stood there watching me. She was now calm. She wanted her baby back, and although I felt apprehensive about returning the child, I did. The woman and child seemed fine. I wanted to have the child removed from the abusive, dangerous environment, but the mother reassured me everything was fine. I had to leave. The mother was smiling as she cradled her baby; she seemed genuinely happy/content, but I still worried a bit about the infant.

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0:00.0	Welcome to this Jungian life.
0:03.0	Three good friends and Jungian analysts, Lisa Marciano, Deborah Stewart and Joseph Lee,
0:09.0	invite you to join them for an intimate and honest conversation that brings a psychological perspective to important issues of the day.
0:17.0	I'm Lisa Marciano and I'm a youngian analyst in Philadelphia.
0:22.0	I'm Joseph Lee and I'm a youngian analyst in Philadelphia. I'm Joseph Lee and I'm a Jungian analyst in Virginia Beach, Virginia.
0:27.0	I'm Deborah Stewart, a Jungian analyst on Cape Cod.
0:31.0	Hi, this is Joseph from this Yungian Life podcast.
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1:15.0	for dream interpretations.
1:17.5	Thank you. So in today's episode or in preparation for it, the three of us have been really steeped in these issues and images of immigrants and the children of immigrants and the way this is happening in the United States.
1:44.9	And we wanted to lift this into an archetypal level.
1:49.3	So one of the frames that we feel is really relevant is the idea of the scapegoat.
1:55.4	And so we're going to put that on the table for today's discussion and working our way down from
2:01.7	the archetypal to the most personal levels,
2:04.8	we'll begin by talking about the archetype of the scapegoat.
2:09.5	Yeah, I mean, I was reading up on this actually because I find it really interesting and it certainly is very relevant in my practice and we'll talk more about that in a minute.
2:21.0	So what I found out about the scapegoat
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