You're listening to the Bible for Normal People, the only God-ordained podcast on the internet.

Serious talk about the sacred book. I'm Pete Ends.

And I'm Jared Bias.

Welcome back everyone to this first episode of Season 2 of the Bible for Normal People.

We're excited to have more conversations about what the Bible is, what we do with it.

And today our topic is changing your mind about the Bible, a survivor's guide.

And we have Jen Hatmaker on.

And what a delight to talk with. She's the author of Mess and Moxie,

wrangling delight out of this wild and glorious life.

She was also her and her family were featured on HGTV in a eight episode series called My Big Family

Renovation. But we talked today about this idea of what happens when you change your mind

about the Bible and the impact that that can have on your life, your family, your friends,

yourself.

Yeah, I mean, one thing Jared, you know, I've talked about a lot and thought about is the emotional

psychological impact, which everyone feels when they were an insider and then they become an

outsider in some group that you belong to. And you know, Jen has a story like so many other people

have with one big difference. This was very, very public. And you know, I'll tell you, there's

nothing like being treated really unjustly on the internet because you can't control it.

You know, and you get it from all sides. And somebody like Jen has been, you know, she says she's

not brave. And I understand what she means by that. But to live through that is very, very difficult.

And all because she decided with her husband to change her views on some things, one of which is

human sexuality. And you know, the hate male and the assumptions about them were being made

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