I'm Ashley C. Ford, and I host Into the Mix, a Ben & Jerry's podcast about joy and justice produced with Vox Creative.

For the past few years, I've seen a lot of hand-wringing about Governor Ron DeSantis' agenda to end what he calls woke indoctrination.

But we wanted to know, what does that mean?

And how does this agenda actually affect the people living and working there?

Especially those who have benefited from the diversity, equity, and inclusion programs

that DeSantis' policies would uproot.

Check out the latest mini-series on Into the Mix

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Subscribe now. Hello, everyone, and welcome to episode 3.3,4 of the Talking Chop podcast. I am your host, Brad Rowland.

It is 22 for the first time on this show.

And I'm joined as I often am by Eric Cole.

Hello, sir.

It's not baseball season, but it's my 22.

It is not baseball season.

I do want to send my condolences to my diehard Michigan Wolverines fan who had a tough

semifinal round of the college football playoffs. I will say I was pulling for your squad just

just in the hopes that I could, you know, you know, see some joy in your life. But as it turns

out, that's not really how it worked out. But I think our listenership was not rooting for me.

And that's okay.

I'm okay with that.

You were certainly a heavy underdog in that regard.

Yeah, that's what.

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