This is the Concealed Carry Podcast, episode number 331.

And welcome to the Concealed Carry podcast, part of the ConcealedCary.com network.

I am your host, Riley Bowman, joined today by Jacob Paulson, sitting in the bomb-proof shelter.

Yep, I'm here.

You know, there's always got to be something about, you know, where you're located, you know.

It's like you're trying to turn me into a mystery man, and I'm really not. You're the guy that's always preaching, you know where you're located you know it's like you're trying to turn me into a mystery man and I'm really not you're the guy that's always preaching you know

home defense and preparedness and all that stuff sure yeah but bomb-proof underground

shelters as you tote are a little bit more difficult to come by than they sound well

hey folks welcome to today's episode.

We're really excited because today's episode is actually, you know, I'm going to call it more

of a roundtable rather than an interview because we have a couple of guys here with us.

We've got Gary Ramey from Honor Defense, and we have Jason Wilson from Lucid Optics.

Both, you know, well, in the case, I guess in Lucid Optics, you've been around for about 10 years,

but Gary's company, you know, even newer than that, but both still relatively new companies

in the, you know, grand scheme of things in this industry that we are in.

And so we're really excited to talk with them. And Jacob, you and I, we've been doing, you know, grand scheme of things in this industry that, that we are in. And so we're

really excited to talk with them. And Jacob, you and I, we've been doing, you know, this

business of ours for just a few years as well. So we're really talking today about

entrepreneurship and the firearms slash training, you know, industry. And it's kind of hard to talk about it as an industry sometimes.

I think of it as an industry, but, you know, it's like, well, there's guns and there's optics and

there's training. We're really on the training side of things. We sell a lot of product too,

but really just getting into this industry where we get to play with guns and talk about guns

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