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Episode 330 Promo - Vibecession? (w/ Matt Bruenig & Claudia Sahm)

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Chapo, Bernie, Left, Leftism, Socialism, Socialist, Berniesanders, Comedy, Democrat, News, Politics

4.52.6K Ratings

🗓️ 11 December 2023

⏱️ 7 minutes

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Summary

Left-Twitter has been beefing over the question of "Bidenomics": Are left criticisms "fair" given metrics which show improvements to the economy? Are they bad faith attacks levied by opportunistic leftists who think Biden doing badly is "good for the left?" Or are people praising Biden's accomplishments simply putting their electoral objectives (eg, reelecting Biden) over the sincerely held feelings of Americans who are struggling -- even as things improve? Two experts from either side of this debate -- Matt Bruenig and Claudia Sahm -- join Bad Faith to discuss the so-called vibecession with a focus on Eric Levtiz's recent piece in NY Mag.

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I don't spend a lot of time on the voter polling and how to understand that kind of stuff.

0:05.0

Personally, I have been kind of forced to think about it a little bit when we come to this issue and I feel like people really have a very...

0:12.0

They're models for thinking about how people answer these

0:14.7

questions are just really hard to get my head around, right? I mean on one hand we know that a lot of

0:20.6

it is just like expressive, right? if you don't like the president you say

0:24.0

the economy is bad if you like the president you say it's good so like if Trump is

0:29.1

elected like the very next day Republican support for the economy was will go through the roof

0:34.6

even though obviously nothing has changed and then when we start talking about okay

0:38.3

let's put aside these things that aren't just related to someone telling you

0:41.8

about their personal situation.

0:43.7

They're reading stuff or they don't like the war maybe and so they also say they don't like

0:49.1

the economy or whatever right?

0:51.4

If we get rid of that stuff and and we say, okay, what about their own personal

0:55.0

situation? How is that driving them? If you actually look at individuals and follow them over

1:00.6

time, their personal circumstances are up and down and up and down.

1:06.4

So when you say, hey, like, the median wage is gone up.

1:09.7

Okay, that's cool, like, but the person who was earning the median wage last year is not the same

1:13.8

person who's earning the median wage this year people move up and down the

1:17.8

distribution so even in good years you're gonna see 40% plus of people, their incomes are going to go down because they

1:28.1

moved around in the income distribution.

1:30.9

So if you're actually thinking about individuals, it should be the case that even in like a great economy a large minority of people are

1:37.6

going to be having a bad time relative to the year before. They may have lost a job, their income may have gone down for any

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