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It's skeptical, it's political, and there is no welcome at this is episode 330 of Cognitive Disnance.

And this is the Cara, Pinta and Santa Maria episode.

Look at Nina.

I didn't make that joke because I forgotten about that boat.

And it just didn't fit.

So we are joined by Cara Santa Maria.

Cara, you've got, obviously you appear on Skeptics Guide to the Universe, which is actually the first podcast I ever listened to.

Cecil turned me on to that.

Wow.

Got what, 912 years ago.

When podcasts first came out, it was the first podcast I was listening to, no shit, I was listening to Coast to Coast AM on the, on the,

like, because they used to have like a live stream of it, right?

So Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell was on the internet.

And I remember listening to it thinking, this doesn't sound real.

It's all the stuff sounds fake.

And I remember thinking to myself, I'm like, what's the opposite of somebody who's credulous?

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