meta_pixel
Tapesearch Logo
Log in
The Fizzle Show

Episode 328: The "Niche" Myth and How to Define Your Audience (FS238)

The Fizzle Show

fizzle.co

Entrepreneurship, Business, Careers, Freelancing, Marketing, Small Business

4.8 β€’ 648 Ratings

πŸ—“οΈ 16 July 2019

⏱️ 71 minutes

🧾️ Download transcript

Summary

Shownotes for this episode: http://fizzleshow.com/328

The audience we aim to capture and the potential clients we go after are ultimately what make a business stay afloat or sink, without an audience you are not really an entrepreneur, right? So how do we find that particular section of the market that is right for us? How wide or narrow should we cast our nets and what are the indicators we can follow in this regard?

In this episode we break down the battle for your products; how niche is too niche and how general is just way too general. We pull apart the considerations that go into shooting for the stars and an audience, emphasizing how this process evolves and changes over time!

Today on the show we are joined by Justin Jackson, old friend, host of the Build Your SaaS Podcast and cofounder of Transistor! Our special guest shares his expertise in the space, unpacking how he learned the value and dangers of aiming for specific sections of the market and how the internet makes reaching anyone possible.

We also talk about the personality of your product, why no matter how good your idea and research is you always have to build a great product and the inability of humans to reliably predict their future actions when asked.

For all this great stuff, be sure to join on for this episode of the Fizzle Show!

Key Points From This Episode:

The job that Corbett originally hired Chase to do! [0:02:41.2]
A little bit about today's special guests and what they do. [0:05:03.3]
Micro-niching, specific audiences and the evolving approach to growing. [0:09:11.8]
Outdated adages and looking for confirmation bias and proof. [0:15:49.1]
Why have people like Nathan Barry been successful? [0:19:25.5]
The Jobs to be Done framework and understanding why people purchase. [0:25:02.3]
Correlation, causation and the disconnection between. [0:32:48.8]
The fallacy of identifying a new niche and this translating to sales. [0:35:03.9]
Chase's own niche story and the overall vibe of feedback. [0:37:29.4]
The inability to honestly forecast future actions now. [0:43:58.3]
The personality that goes into a product; pouring yourself into your work. [0:49:05.6]
Seeds of a culturally resonant product and the time it takes for them to root. [0:55:35.8]
The special thing that happens when you care and have something to share. [1:01:31.2]
What the journey to a viable market really looks like. [1:05:45.8]
And much more!

Links Mentioned in Today’s Episode:

Fizzle β€” https://fizzle.co/326
Fizzle Roadmap β€” https://fizzle.co/sparkline/small-business-roadmap-1-clarity
Justin Jackson β€” https://justinjackson.ca/
Transistor FM β€” https://transistor.fm/
Build Your SaaS β€” https://saas.transistor.fm/
Jack Conte β€” https://www.linkedin.com/in/jack-conte-a15a3686
Nathan Barry β€” https://nathanbarry.com/
ConvertKit β€” https://convertkit.com/
Pat Flynn β€” https://www.smartpassiveincome.com/
Stranger Things β€” https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/stranger_things
Undertale β€” https://undertale.com/
Tim Ferriss β€” https://tim.blog/
Rob Fitzpatrick β€” https://robfitz.com/
The Mom Test β€” https://www.amazon.com/Mom-Test-customers-business-everyone/dp/1492180742
Seth Godin β€” https://seths.blog/
Matt Giovanisci β€” https://www.moneylab.co/
Elizabeth Gilbert β€” https://www.elizabethgilbert.com/

Dream Daddy β€” https://store.steampowered.com/app/654880/Dream_Daddy_A_Dad_Dating_Simulator/
Dream Daddy Conference Talk β€” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ovcAh2O--Q
Master Class β€” https://www.masterclass.com/
Dustin Hoffman β€” https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000163/
Aaron Sorkin β€” https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0815070/
Neil Gaiman β€” http://www.neilgaiman.com/
Fizzle Name Evaluator β€” https://fizzle.co/?s=name+evaluator
Fizzle Try 5 β€” http://fizzle.co/try5
The Fizzle Jump Start Bundle β€” https://fizzle.co/jumpstart
Jen Rao β€” https://jenrao.com/
Joe Kerns β€” https://fizzle.co/sparkline/author/joekerns
Chase Reeves β€” https://www.youtube.com/user/chasereeves
Corbett Barr on Twitter β€” https://twitter.com/CorbettBarr
Aiden Fishbein β€” https://twitter.com/megafishbein?ref_src
Fizzle Customer Conversations Course β€” https://app.fizzle.co/courses/customer-conversations
Fizzle Define Your Audience Course β€” https://fizzle.co/guides/defining-your-audience
Fizzle Goals Course β€” https://fizzle.co/courses/goals
Fizzle on Twitter β€” https://twitter.com/fizzle
Fizzle Just Ship It Challenge β€” https://app.fizzle.co/just-ship-it-challenge
Fizzle Sparkline β€” https://fizzle.co/sparkline
Fizzle Journaling Course β€” https://fizzle.co/courses/journal
Fizzle Essentials of Web Design Course β€” https://fizzle.co/library/essentials-of-website-design-for-business-builders
Fizzle Website Tune Up Curse β€” https://fizzle.co/courses/tuneup
Fizzle 80/20 Copywriting Guide β€” https://fizzle.co/sparkline/writing-copy-for-web
Fizzle Toolkit β€” https://fizzle.co/toolkit
Fizzle Craft + Commerce β€” https://fizzle.co/sparkline/craft-commerce
Fizzle Project Management for Entrepreneurs β€” https://fizzle.co/sparkline/project-management-for-entrepreneurs
Fizzle Hosting β€” https://fizzle.co/hosting

Transcript

Click on a timestamp to play from that location

0:00.0

Hello and welcome to the Fizzle Show.

0:08.0

What is up, everybody?

0:13.0

This is the Fizzle show where every week you check in to get a little dose, a little, you know, we put the little needle under the skin a little bit,

0:21.4

give you a little booster shot in entrepreneurship. Why? Because you're all alone. And you've got a

0:27.9

little boat and it's a really big sea and there's big waves that'll come and sometimes your boat

0:32.7

will catch them and you'll be like everything will be going pretty good. And then sometimes it goes

0:37.3

too fast and your boat capsizes and your partner betrays you or your, your wife's thumb's crazy or your payment provider, like the or Google changes their algorithm or or or or or.

0:52.1

Entrepreneurs is all about these oars, all about these things that happen.

0:57.4

And the question constantly arises, this being so, so what?

1:02.3

What are you going to do?

1:03.8

And so we like to put a little shot in your arm every week on Tuesdays to get you a little over the hump.

1:11.6

A little over the hump of Wednesday.

1:13.2

Get you going through the week.

1:15.7

Give you a little bit of that internal inspiration, that motivation,

1:19.4

because, God, dang, if it doesn't take a lot of energy,

1:23.5

to publish something.

1:25.3

Because we're constantly fighting with perfection when we're publishing.

1:28.5

Jack Conti has this awesome bit in some talk that he did on published is better than perfect.

1:34.2

And it's something that in our experience, that has been true.

1:38.7

That's what we actually recommend to people as well.

1:41.6

Your business idea in your head or in your journal or notebook is not actually a business, right?

1:49.8

It's when it's out in the world and it starts developing its own identity and people have a

...

Please login to see the full transcript.

Disclaimer: The podcast and artwork embedded on this page are from fizzle.co, and are the property of its owner and not affiliated with or endorsed by Tapesearch.

Generated transcripts are the property of fizzle.co and are distributed freely under the Fair Use doctrine. Transcripts generated by Tapesearch are not guaranteed to be accurate.

Copyright Β© Tapesearch 2025.