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You are not alone. You have found other people.

You and I have a friend in common.

Every stupid thing that a writer could do I've done.

I think it's really beautiful.

Jesus, did it what I struggle, you know?

It was incredible. You know, it was like your head exploded, seeing what was really there.

And now here's your host, Brad Listy. Just one person at just one time. Right. All right, everybody, here we go again. This is it. This is other people. This is something and not nothing. This is hopefully a decent distraction. Hello, I'm Brad Listy. I'm in Los Angeles. It's nice to be with you. Thank you for, uh, for listening. Thank you for tuning in. My guest, uh, today is Bickman Nguyen. I believe I'm pronouncing that right. It's a tough one. I think even she would admit that. Bickman Nguyenwin is here. Her latest novel is called Pioneer Girl girl it's available now from viking uh i had a great

conversation with her and we're going to be uh you're going to be hearing it in just a second i do want to

talk about uh something that happened to me recently what i witnessed from a distance

seems like most of the stuff we witness.

You know,

it's like the whole virtual versus IRL thing.

I witness a lot of things via my computer and my telephone.

I bear witness in a kind of a remote way. But a friend of mine from back in Colorado works in the marijuana business legally

because it's legal in Colorado.

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