So the A-PAG brand was starting to get tarnished, and so that's why you needed a little bit of a separation from this group, DMFI.

So you go on to write that, okay, they dabble in the Iowa Caucus, but they don't really start to ramp things up until the next

midterm cycle where they start spending really heavily and really lay the groundwork

for a pattern of behavior that you're going to see

marshalling the resources against specifically progressives like

these are all going to be familiar names because we're all very familiar

with these stories at this point.

Senator Nina Turner was the first big example.

State Senator Nina Turner never, Congress member, Nina Turner precisely because of the

DMFI ad spin.

So we're familiar with that, but just for the detail of it,

because nobody really knows the facts and the timing

of how that spinning came into play.

Walk us through how she was polling at what time in the

race before DMV entered the picture. How much money she had versus

Chantant Brown, her opponent, and then how and why everything started to change.

Yeah, and when she rolled out her campaign,

she rolled it out with a whole bunch of local establishment

endorsements, you know, people who might not have supported

what she was doing with Bernie Sanders,

but had, they had known her as a state

senator they'd known her as a you know local activist for years and they've

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