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ABA Inside Track

Episode 324 - Behavioral Artistry Revisited w/ Dr. Amy Bukszpan

ABA Inside Track

Robert Parry-Cruwys

Social Sciences, Science, Education

4.7634 Ratings

🗓️ 15 October 2025

⏱️ 85 minutes

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Summary

We had so much fun the last time we talked about behavioral artistry, we decided to do it again. And this time, we brought one of the folks that's leading the charge to better define just exactly what we DO when we act as behavioral artists. That's right! Dr. Amy Buskzpan is joining us to share the latest in her work on training others to serve as behavioral artists and to help us discrminate TIP from BST. Plus, the Inside Track Gang owes a big citation apology to Dr. Buskzpan…and she doesn't let us forget it!

This episode is available for 1.0 LEARNING CEU.

Articles discussed this episode:

Bukszpan, A.R., Anderson, A., Moon, E., Kaplan, A., & Leaf, J.B. (2024). Training behavior technicians to become behavior artists through the teaching interaction procedure. Behavioral Interventions, 38, 1-17. doi: 10.1002/bin.1963

Bukszpan, A.R., Leaf, J.B., O'Brien, J.G., Lewis, A., Kristiansen, S., Lord, J., Axe, J., & Weiss, M.J. (2025). Utilizing the teaching interaction procedure to train special education teachers in behavioral artistry.  Behavioral Interventions, 40, 1-14. doi: 10.1002/bin.70017

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Transcript

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0:00.0

Hey, everybody. Welcome to ABA and Side Track the podcast that's like reading in your car, but safer.

0:19.2

I'm your host, Robert Perry Cruz, and with me as always are my fabulous co-hosts. Hello, Rob. It's me, Diana Perry Cruz. Nice to see you. Oops. Sorry. Sorry, I went for it, and Diana was still talking. Jag was bragging about what a professional podcaster she was, and she's rushing her introsion. It's all going to come up in her performance review. We just finished Supervision September on the show. So it's probably a good time to give Jackie her annual performance review. You know, right before we start recording, too, just to just put her in the right frame of my. No, I kid, I kid. We're not doing performance reviews because we're none of us that, that professional, except in our day jobs, in our podcasting job.

0:56.9

It's all fun.

0:57.8

Fun and games.

0:58.9

Somebody loses an eye, which is hard to do on a podcast.

1:01.8

But this isn't a podcast about safety rules for your bodily functions or anything.

1:07.4

It's a podcast about behavior analysis and behavior analytic research where every

1:11.2

week we pick a topic and then discuss some relevant research articles. And sometimes we pick a topic

1:16.9

that we actually have had a chance to talk about before, but we are lucky enough to get to

1:22.4

revisit it with someone who is a master of the topic, who knows all about it, who has more to share,

1:28.7

who can tell us what we did wrong in the last episode.

1:31.2

And we can remind you, don't listen to that old one.

1:32.9

Just listen to the new one, because we got the expert here.

1:36.0

And this is definitely an article and article and episode that we will be very much enjoying

1:43.5

the expertise.

1:45.3

Dr. Amy, a book span.

1:47.5

And Amy, I should have asked you how to pronounce your last name before we started recording.

1:50.7

Did I get it even close to right?

1:51.9

Oh, you did it perfectly.

1:54.1

And you did honor to the accent, too.

1:56.1

It was perfect.

1:57.1

Yeah.

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