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Sword and Scale

Episode 323

Sword and Scale

Incongruity

True Crime, Entrepreneurship, Business, Society & Culture, Documentary, History

461.1K Ratings

🗓️ 17 October 2025

⏱️ 66 minutes

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Summary

In June 2022, in the quiet city of Alton, Illinois, Heidi Noel found her 22-year-old daughter, Liese Dodd, savagely murdered in her apartment. A disturbing investigation uncovered missed warning signs, a fractured relationship, and a chilling unraveling. This is the story of a young woman who gave too many chances to the wrong person - and the silence surrounding her final moments.

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0:00.0

Sword and scale contains adult themes and violence and is not intended for all audiences.

0:06.0

Listener discretion is advised.

0:09.0

Lose a child that way, and that baby is an extension of her mother and the rest of her family, so they lost a child as well. I'm Some asshole said at some point that brevity is the essence of wit.

0:49.2

So we might as well get on with it.

0:50.7

This is episode 323 of Sword and Scale, a show that reveals that the worst monsters are real. I'm Man yeah Hello. She turns on to Bolivar Street, like the car is driving itself.

1:41.8

She feels numb, too numb to be its driver. She's been here before too many

1:49.4

times to count, but today's different. Her stomach is unsettled. Why hasn't her daughter

1:56.5

Lisa responded to her in more than 15 hours. They have an understanding, she thinks.

2:02.6

If I don't hear from you, I'm coming to find you.

2:05.6

It's the way moms and daughters operate.

2:08.6

That bond is never truly broken.

2:11.6

The building comes into view at the far end of the block.

2:15.6

It looks like a regular two-story house,

2:19.2

maybe a little worn around the edges.

2:22.0

There's a lawn, not big,

2:24.3

but enough to push a mower across,

2:27.1

and a long, narrow sidewalk that stretches up to the sagging front porch.

2:32.2

It's the kind of porch you'd expect to creak under your feet, and it does, it does.

2:38.7

From where she parks, the trees at the dead end street are in full bloom, tall and still.

2:45.7

A thick line of woods makes the gray two-story house feel almost peaceful.

2:50.8

If you didn't know any better,

2:52.5

you'd think this was a residential house in a rural setting,

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