And I think, you know, in defense of state wildlife agencies, I mean, they're in a tough spot, man.

You know, there's all sorts of technology and it's tough to either write in or write out a particular technology

because it continually changes and, you know, they're not in the business of, you know, writing a particular product in or out of the books.

And it's tough for them, so I get that. And that's something that we understand and, you know, struggle with along with the agencies.

But at the end of the day, Garmin, I assure you, went into this product category, wanting to make a tool where hunters could be more successful and do right by the game you're hunting.

When you went to the engineering, one of the questions that I asked was battery life and it's electronic and what are all the failure points and it's got this digital read out.

What happens if that gets bumped or the digital goes haywire, gets cold, freezes, what if the battery dies in the middle of your hunt as a skeptic, I'm expecting all these failure points.

I mean, if you're walking around with a rangefinder in your pocket and a sliding site, you are effectively doing the exact same thing that this site does.

It's just removing the need to pull it out of your pocket with 25, 30, 40 yards.

All right, folks, welcome to the Gritty Bowman podcast. We're coming at you from Texas. Where are we in Texas?

Inside a bracketville, Texas, about 20 miles from the Mexican border, I believe.

I keep spending a lot of time on the Mexican border the last month.

What does that mean about you?

I haven't crossed it.

I am here with Chad Van Camp.

Right? Van Camp?

Yeah, it was taken in during.

At first, I thought it was Van Camp.

I get that a lot.

But it's Van Camp and then we got Ted Gartner.

That's right. That is correct.

Ted Gartner, both from Garmin.

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