Episode 320 - Why Jackie Hates DRO
ABA Inside Track
Robert Parry-Cruwys
4.7 • 634 Ratings
🗓️ 27 August 2025
⏱️ 70 minutes
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Summary
One of our longest running mysteries is finally revealed in this week's episode: Why does Jackie hate DROs so much?
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Articles discussed this episode:
Mazalesik, J.I., Iwata, B.A., Vollmer, T.R., Zarcone, J.R., & Smith, R.G. (1993). Analysis of the reinforcement and extinction components in DRO contingencies with self-injury. Journal of Applied Behavior Analysis, 26, 143-156. doi: 10.1901/jaba.1993.26-143
Hangen, M.M., Romero, A.N., Neidert, P.L., & Borrero, J.C. (2020). "Other" behavior and the DRO: The roles of extinction and reinforcement. Journal of Applied Behavior Analysis, 53, 2385-2404. doi: 10.1002/jaba.736
Romano, L.M. & St. Peter, C.C. (2017). Omission training results in more resurgence than alternative reinforcement. Psychological Record, 67, 315-324. doi: 10.1007/s40732-016-0214-z
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| 0:00.0 | Hey, everybody. Welcome to ABA Inside Track, the podcast that's like reading in your car, but safer. I'm your host, Robert Perry Cruz, and with me as always are my fabulous co-hosts. Hello, Rob, it's me, Diana Perry Cruz. And it's me, it's me, it's me. Jackie. Oh, boy. I wish that that's how I always... It's like with an accent on the end. But Jaquay. Jaqui. Jaquit. |
| 0:37.8 | Oh, that's a good one. |
| 0:38.6 | Yeah. |
| 0:40.1 | But, yeah. |
| 0:41.2 | This isn't a podcast about my name. |
| 0:44.6 | It's not a podcast about that. |
| 0:45.8 | It's about why I hate something. |
| 0:47.6 | But I wish I'd gotten one more cup of coffee before we started recording. |
| 0:50.2 | No, this is a podcast about behavior analysis and behavior analytic research, where every week we pick a topic and discuss it at length. |
| 0:58.3 | And this week, it's just like those weeks. |
| 1:00.5 | And we're going to be discussing a topic that has long, actually long been part of the canon of ABA Inside Track. |
| 1:06.7 | So for folks who listen to every single episode and they pick up all the plot threads we throw down, |
| 1:12.2 | you know, this is going to answer some of those questions. It's not a season finale, but like it might as well be with just the epic reveals that are going to come out. |
| 1:20.9 | All the way back to our other early catchphrase, which was Jackie doesn't have any children, but then that changed. |
| 1:26.5 | Because then, whoops, I had one. Yeah. That was a real twist. So we had to stop using that one, but this one has stuck around. Because I still hate DRO's. Yep. Yep. And that is the title of the episode. Why Jackie hates DRO? We should put an S on that. Why Jackie hates DROs? No. No, just DRO in general? |
| 1:44.6 | Yeah. |
| 1:44.9 | Okay. |
| 1:46.0 | So she hates the concept. |
| 1:47.5 | She doesn't just hate like your DRO or my DRO, just all of them. |
| 1:51.5 | I know. |
| 1:51.9 | Put a caveat. |
| 1:52.9 | I don't always hate the DRO. |
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