Welcome to Episode 32 of the Charles C.W. Cook podcast.

This one, by a quite remarkable coincidence, is being released on the 32nd of the month, which hasn't happened before.

And which is unlikely to happen again now that we're in

a leap year, at least until we stop using Greenwich Mean Time, to measure the temperature.

Today's lucky number is four, perhaps even six, but it is not three.

So stop asking.

My guest today is Gareth Russell, who has been on the podcast before, but how I didn't

think would be invited back after his appalling behavior last time.

And yet, by a bizarre quirk of fate, a truly bizarre quirk of fate, I happened to be reading

Gareth's book on the Titanic.

The book is called Ship of Dreams, the sinking of the Titanic and the end of the Edwardian

era, when the news that are small submersible, the sinking of the Titanic and the end of the Edwardian era, when the news that

a small submersible, the Titan, had gone missing in the Atlantic Ocean on its way down

to the wreckage. So for the last week, Gareth, I've been consuming that news while reading your book in the background.

And as a result, my mind has been fixated on this overall topic.

So I thought I should do a podcast on it.

And who better to do that podcast with than with the author of the book. This is the

second time. You and I will have spent more than 10 minutes without a drink. I loathe it.

But with that in mind, welcome back to the Charles C.W. Cook podcast. Thank you very much for having me.

So before we talk about the Titanic, you were actually invited onto this very submersible,

the one we sadly learned today had been lost in a catastrophic implosion a couple of years

ago. Yes. So I, the book had been had been

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