Welcome to the McCarthy Report, the podcast where I, Rich Lowry, discuss with Andy McCarthy, the latest legal and national security issues. This week, what else? The tariff arguments at the Supreme Court.

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I welcome to this very podcast through the miracle of Riverside, none of the other than Andy McCarthy.

Hey, Rich. How are you? Good, Andy. We missed our opportunity to do this podcast through the

miracle of real live personal interaction because we're both in the same place for a day or two down here in Palm Beach,

but you've departed and I'm still here. Yeah, well, but I had a wonderful time. I think I'm in as

good a mood as you can be in after that debacle Tuesday night of the election. That that it was good to be with all our friends

at NR and it was just such a it was a fabulous yeah for those you don't know this was the

annual Buckley award that went to Ron and Casey DeSantis down here and I I did get a quick chat with Governor DeSantis because I was boohooing about

Mikey Cheryl winning over Soderrelli in New Jersey.

And he, you know, he wasn't any more happy about it than I was, but he did, you know, make the point that a lot of Jack's voters were down in Florida voting for DeSantis when if they had, you know, if those people hadn't relocated.

But this, I have to say, Rich, I wanted to just make this point before we go on.

I think this is going to be a continuing point, and it's certainly one that I have spent

a long time trying to make, and I want to continue to hammer at home because I just think

the proof continues to pile up.

The public doesn't like lawfare.

They didn't like it when it was.

I'm not trying to say it's a silver bullet that it's the unitary field theory of everything

that's wrong with the Republican politics anymore than it was everything that was wrong with the

Democratic politics and the lead up to the 2024 election. But do you know, you know, Jim probably

has run these numbers yet. I haven't been able to see what he had to say about New Jersey yet.

But Cinelli did considerably better

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