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The first degree.

You see it on the news.

See it on the table. You see it on Facebook.

These things are supposed to happen in movies, not real life.

I remember just heading me out. He absolutely knows what happened to this girl and he's just holding on to the fact that there is no evidence like physical evidence other than he was with her and like up until he he murdered Stephanie Flores,

then it, sadly, like, with him killing somebody else,

then everything started to really make sense

that he was capable of these terrible things

because, look, he just did it, and this time they can prove it very easily.

Welcome to the first degree the true crime podcast that you might end up on my name is

Jack Vanick I'm sitting here with the Lexisinkletter and today is part two of our two-part

series about Natalie Holloway and Stephanie Flores-Ramiras. If you haven't listened to

part one you're going to have no idea what we're talking about. We're jumping right

into the middle of the case and

go back and listen to that. But just to let you know, if you want to binge these two-parter

episodes, you can do it on our Patreon. They get everything at once that's right and we can't

wait to you know close the chapter on these two episodes and really look at the case in its entirety.

Yeah, absolutely.

Should we just dive right in?

Let's do it.

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