This is genocide. This is mass murder of civilians without any question.

And Israel is not behaving strategically.

Israel is behaving like a gangster who is humiliated and is taking their revenge out on innocent people.

That's what this is. Israel is humiliated publicly and they have to take it out on somebody

so they're smashing everybody and killing as many people as they possibly can just because.

There's no strategy here. All right, it's my enormous pleasure to welcome to bad faith podcast, Miko Pellett, who is an Israeli-American activist, author, and the author specifically of the general son, The Journey of an Israeli and Palestine and Injustice, the Story of the Holy Land Foundation 5. Welcome to Bad Faith.

Great to be with you. Thank you. I thought that maybe we could start by talking a little bit about

your own personal trajectory. Your biography is so compelling given where your politics have landed

today. Is it right to say that your father was an

Israeli general, and your grandfather was a signatory of the Israeli Declaration of Independence? Is that right?

Yes, it's true. I had many, those are the two main, the biggest names, but I had other members of my

family, extended family,

who all held important positions in the Zionist movement before Israel was established,

and then after the state was established, we were influential over the first few decades

of the existence of the state of Israel. So yes, I come from this very, very strong establishment

Zionist family, a strong patriotic Zionist

groups, absolutely, yes.

So maybe tell us a little bit about how you got from there. I presume when you were raised

and coming up, you were raised as a Zionist as well.

Oh, of course. Of course. I was proud to be a Zionist.

I was proud of my family's heritage.

I was proud to know that all these important people, we had a great uncle who was the president of the state of Israel. So we, you know, I was very, very proud being that. And of course, I went to school and the kids around me. were all children of people who had, you know, fathers and grandfathers and so on who

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