Episode 312 : Elle Giacomini
Life After MLM
Roberta Blevins
4.2 • 1.1K Ratings
🗓️ 7 September 2025
⏱️ 90 minutes
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Summary
Meet Elle Giacomini, a chemist turned musician and a survivor of the Twin Flames Universe cult. In our chat we discuss Elle's journey into Twin Flame, and the manipulative practices and psychological teachings of its leaders, including the controversial mirror exercise. We explore the dynamics of twin flames, the MLM-like structure of the cult, and the troubling gender expectations imposed on members. Elle also shares her journey of writing a book, her current life and aspirations, and the emphasis on the importance of authenticity and self-love in relationships.
Show Notes
Connect with Elle : TikTok | Instagram | YouTube | Facebook | Soundcloud | Website
Escaping Twin Flames (Netflix)
Twin Flames Universe: An inside look at the alleged American cult (W5 Canada)
FYI Jeff is Creepy and Gross ("allegedly")
Dr. Steven Hassan's Influence Continuum
Police descend on Twin Flames Universe headquarters months after W5 exposé (UPDATE!)
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| 0:25.5 | Hey, I'm Roberta Blevins, and this is live after MLM, a podcast where we worked and the stigma of failure in an industry systemically designed for you to fail. Join us as we dive into |
| 0:45.7 | the real life stories of survivors, experts, and advocates as we debunk the |
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| 1:13.6 | I am a little underweather, so I have my cup of tea here, and I'm sorry if I have a little |
| 2:07.4 | bit of vocal fry or that my voice sounds strange. |
| 2:11.9 | I am just getting over a cold that the whole house got and I got it last. And of course, I get it when I need to record. Murphy's Law, right? So I went ahead and put an |
| 2:14.4 | explicit tag on this podcast and not because we're cursing a lot, but because of the content of the |
| 2:23.2 | episode, we are talking to Elle from Twin Flames universe. And the content of that cult is just a little more PG-13R. And I just |
| 2:28.5 | wanted to let anybody that listens to this with their kids know that maybe this isn't an |
| 2:38.0 | episode to listen to until you've listened to it yourself first. We did an episode in the past |
| 2:42.7 | about Twin Flames Universe. Some of the themes that we're talking about today, |
| 2:47.5 | the romance scam aspect of this cult, also domestic violence, abuse, and sexual trauma also comes |
| 2:51.3 | up. We also talk about heteronormativity and the binary of gender identity. So it is kind of a |
| 2:58.4 | heavy episode, but I just wanted to give you guys those heads up real quick. And here's another heads up because Elle sent me this. She was like, Jeff is so gross. That's the cult leader. Jeff is so gross. Check out this old blog post he has. It is linked in the show notes because I think if you're interested, you should be able to have access to that information. But I'm going to read a little bit of it just to give you a taste. |
| 3:04.7 | And then if you want to read the rest of it, by all means, the link is in the show notes. |
| 3:26.1 | This is an exercise in prosperity consciousness. |
| 3:30.4 | If you're wanting to improve the thoughts you have around prosperity, try this. |
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