If the Bernie Sanders that went to Nicaragua and met with the Sandinistas met the Bernie Sanders

that's tweeting about Ukraine funding today, they might have a lot to talk about. They might not know

each other too well. And that's why I think it's useful to use elections. To organize a movement,

can you create a long-term movement through election organizing? Maybe. But I think also organizing

around ideas and showing that people power works independent of a candidate or political figure

might be more useful.

All right, bad faith, proud, faithful, if you will, I'm really thrilled to have for the first

time on bad faith podcast. Jessica Burbank, you may know her as a Friday co-host on rising,

you may know her from her viral TikTok explainers where she is one of the best lefties on the platform

in my humble opinion, really compellingly explaining all of the things that we talk about for

hours and hours on end on this podcast at a much more succinct manner. She has an MP8 from Brown

in data-driven policy and was also an Iowa field coordinator for Bernie 2020, is that right?

That's true, man. All right, well, welcome to bad faith. Jessica, I can't believe it's taken us

this long to get together on here. But here we are. We finally did it. All right, so there has been

a lot going on in the lefty sphere. Let's start with talking about some of the most unexpected

news in the electoral content. Chank Eugers seemed to hint on breaking points last week

that he was so frustrated with the candidates that the Democrats were putting forward

that he was considering throwing his hat into the ring.

But so, Chank, tell me more about your thinking. Yeah. Time one, what are you weighing? How serious

are you? Yeah, it's the details. So I already thought about it before and I rejected it because

I know what they're going to do. You know, you're an outsider, radical. They're going to

stretch up things from 1987 and when you were a junior and junior high school. They didn't do that to

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