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Okay, welcome to the show this week, Truebilly Fam. We have a very special guest on joining us

from New York by way of Tennessee. So it's like all the, no, not a fan. No, no, no, go ahead,

go ahead. We have with is Molly McGee, who is an author. You said to mention

that you said that you went to Columbia and teach there, but that's a bad thing.

See, I'm so far removed from it. I don't know why that's a bad thing.

Well, okay, first of all, for context, you asked me what my bio should be. And I said, I wish

we could skip that part, but my publisher would kill me. And it's just like so cringe to be like,

I live in New York and teach our Columbia. Okay. That's all right.

Well, that means that's good though. That means that the students at Columbia are very blessed

to have you as a teacher. Yeah, I mean, I know that because you have edited me and you're a

good teacher. I've learned a lot from you, Molly. And in fact, I've, I've read your entire book.

Oh my God. Yes, Jonathan Abernathy, you are kind. It's about to come out in a few weeks.

Correct. On October 17th, we're getting increasingly closer. We are. We're getting very close.

Scary. I read, I read the entire book. I sped through the entire book, honestly. It's a

really, that is like one of the highest compliments that I could get that you could say to me.

I, it's very sad. But it's also like, I think I was reading another essay of yours that you

wrote in the Paris review about what's that Russian author's name? Oh, yeah. Dead souls.

Dead souls. And it's, you know, your piece is about debt. And your book is about debt. It's about

really. Are we seeing a theme? Yeah, I'm seeing. I think like debt is a very, in my opinion,

like a very rich vein for content. But also just for exploring what it is to be a human.

Yeah. I mean, it controls all of our lives and we just pretend it doesn't.

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