Hello, I'm Adrienne Dob.

And I'm Moira Donigan.

And whether we like it or not, we're in bed with the right.

So, Adrienne, today we are talking about a subject very near and dear to my heart, but I've been obsessing about it so much that now my notes, my outline for this episode,

looks kind of like a cabin from a beautiful mind.

You know, it's just like it's...

Oh, God, I haven't seen that movie in like 30 years.

Is that the one where the camera rotates around Russell Crow to show like, he's thinking?

It's Russell Crow as like in the world's least believable performance as a math genius who

succumbs to insanity.

Oh, and Paul Batonni as a guy who's very obviously not there.

They're like, twist.

And you're like, yeah, no, we knew, dude.

No, the figures who are going to be very obviously not there in my mind are like

Shulameth Firestone.

And we're going to have a really good time because today we are talking about the recent

rise of pronatalism.

So, Adrian, what do you know about pronatalism?

So it appears to be a rebrand of 1920s

eugenics, it seems to me. It's about where back then the worry was about the wrong people having

too many babies. Now the worry is no one's having sufficient number of babies for replenishment,

although I wouldn't be shocked if you told me that, like,

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