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I'm Dory Schaffreier and I'm Elise Hugh. And we are two friends who like to talk a lot about serums.

We sure are.

We are.

How's it going, at least?

Oh, man, I am in that end of the school year snowball where there's something every day and by way of introduction I have three children they were all in elementary school.

First, third, fifth grade.

And now fifth graders, quote unquote,

graduate from fifth grade. There's a culmination.

Okay, and then they go to middle school? Yes and so

before middle school there's a whole series of events they like rented out a movie

theater they had a field day there's a whole culmination ceremony. They have to get culmination outfits.

Oh, wow. Okay, this is involved.

Yeah, and I never had anything like that in fifth grade.

And I don't think it's really necessary because is it a huge right of passage?

Well, my son is about to graduate from preschool, which like also I feel like when we were growing up was like not a thing to have like a preschool graduation.

Right. So I'm just sort of like okay. I mean great I guess but it's cute it's cute and it's

like ceremonial and it's a nice sort of marker for them to be like okay I'm done

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