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Hi, this is Tony Grafia, Executive Producer writer for Outlander,

and I'm here with Executive producer Merrill Davis.

Thank you for having me. I feel like such a guest in your podcast.

We're here today watching episode 305 Freedom in Whiskey and I'm especially happy to be doing

this podcast with Merrill because I think that not only do I adore her but we talked about this episode probably more than any other episode this season in terms of, I don't know why, what it was, maybe that it's about mothers and daughters but I just remember you know driving even

after work driving home down the freeway and the phone would ring it would be

Maryland she'd be like oh and another thing I thought of for this episode

because we just we talked a lot about what it meant to be you know have a

relationship between mother and daughter and how how that plays out in this

particular circumstances and a lot of strong opinions.

Yeah and I think you know we talked about what it means to be a mom and do you have your own life and, you know, do you deserve to still want things in life and at what point do you put aside being a mom to pursue your own stuff but is that

selfish and I mean so many interesting things here but obviously and title freedom

and whiskey how do you think of that title?

You love Whiskey.

Yeah, that was, the title was, it's in the book and it ends up being the clue,

as we know, that leads Claire to realize that Jamie is alive in the present in her timeline.

And this is again one of those episodes where I love this part of the book and I just really

wanted to write it and I wrote in the margin freedom in whiskey and I knew you know my goal was to write an episode called that and take this section of the book just because I loved it so much.

And you know this scene is fun because we actually had Katrina come in a few times in practice with some actual doctors and nurses.

And it was kind of amazing, I be honest how quickly Katrina kind of like

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