Episode 304 - (ETHICS) The Ethics of Meaningful Goals w/ Dr. Shanna Bahry

ABA Inside Track

Robert Parry-Cruwys

Behavioralscience, Education, Appliedbehavioranalysis, Autism, Social Sciences, Aba, Science, Specialeducation

4.6 • 623 Ratings

🗓️ 19 March 2025

⏱️ 73 minutes

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Summary

While most of us engage with goal writing, have you ever stopped to think whether the goals you’ve proposed to your client are…pointless? If so, put down your bopy of “101 Great Trigonometry Objectives” and join us and special guest, Dr. Shanna Bahry, to explore resources for crafting goals with your clients that might actually lead them to a productive, happier adulthood. We review some useful tools from Dr. Bahry, some pointers for how to use (and NOT use) many popular assessments, and discuss where and when those trigonometry goals could meaningfully come into play. Yes, there’s a time and place for every goal.

This episode is available for 1.0 ETHICS CEU.

Articles discussed this episode:

Bahry, S., Gerhardt, P.F., Weiss, M.J., Leaf, J.B., Putnam, R.F., & Bondy, A. (2022). The ethics of actually helping people: Targeting skill acquisition goals that promote meaningful outcomes for individuals with autism spectrum disorder. Behavior Analysis in Practice, 16, 672-695. doi: 10.1007/s40617-022-00757-x

Bahry, S., Gerhardt, P.F., Weiss, M.J., Driscoll, N.M., Leaf, J.B., Ayres, K.M., & Cauchi, J. (2024). Improving outcomes for adults with ASD by targeting meaningful skill acquisition goals: A review of the literature and available assessments and curricula. Review Journal of Autism and Developmental Disorders. doi: 10.1007/s40489-024-00441-6

Bahry, S., Gerhardt, P.F., Weiss, M.J., Leaf, J.B., & Ayres, K.M. (2024). Improving goals written for individuals with autism: Preliminary results on assessing meaningfulness and relevance to adulthood. Behavioral Interventions. doi: 10.1002/bin.2006

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0:00.0	Hey, everybody. Welcome to ABA Inside Track, the podcast, that's like reading in your car, but safer.
0:19.0	I'm your host, Robert Perry Cruz, and with me as always are my fabulous co-hosts.
0:23.0	Hello, Rob, it's me, Diana Perry Cruz.
0:25.0	Hi.
0:26.0	And it's me, Jackie.
0:28.7	Oh, boy.
0:29.9	Well, we are very excited because we're recording this.
0:35.0	This is coming out, I think, I don't remember a month's guys.
0:37.4	It's coming out. It's coming
0:37.5	out. It's very soon in the winter where we are. It's coming out, March? Okay, so it's hopefully
0:42.2	warming up. And hopefully people have been thinking about the goals they set for themselves to start
0:47.6	of 2025. It's definitely 2025. I know that much about our recording schedule. It is. Yeah.
0:53.0	And even though we're a podcast about behavior
0:55.6	analysis and behavior analytic research, wherever we pick a topic and discuss relevant research
1:00.7	articles, you know, we still have goals just like anybody else. And sometimes we have to ask
1:06.4	ourselves, are these goals meaningful? Are they useful? Are they good? Should anyone bother? Should we even waste our
1:11.9	time on these goals? And so now that we are in the, almost the end of the winter in New England,
1:18.6	it's time to look back and say, were those goals worthwhile? Were they pointless? Were they
1:23.2	meaningful? And, you know, is there anything wrong with us picking goals for ourselves? What if we
1:29.0	picked goals for other people that were similarly as bad as the goals we picked for ourselves? Would
1:33.8	that be an ethical quandary? And while we were thinking of all of this and feeling bad,
1:37.7	because, you know, our goals weren't that great to begin with, I guess, you know, so we're,
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