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All right, so as many of you are aware, there was a DSA convention a few weeks ago.

That really, I think in some ways, crystallized the debate, tension, happy disagreements that have been happening on the left in the post-Bernie 2020 era about how the left broadly should proceed, how the Democratic Socialists of America specifically should proceed, whether or not various high-profile members of the DSA are actually good avatars for the

movement, and I'm so glad one to have had the that of it, generally speaking, and two to have two people who represent the kind of different sides of that argument.

Join on bad faith today to kind of flesh out both what happened there at the convention and what the kind of internal conversations to DSA are because I do think there's a perception that, you know, DSA,

thinks one thing, whereas social alternative will think another thing and that there is a kind of uniformity of belief within DSA, I until recently was a DSA member, I know that many people are both DSA and social alternative and I think is much more productive than kind of fling around claims of entryism and the like just sit down with folks to have a good faith conversation about what this is all about.

So without further ado, we have Philip Locker, who is with the reform and revolution caucus, which you can find at reformandrevolution.org, correct, Philip?

That's right.

Okay, and it was also a delegate at the National Convention. Welcome, Philip.

Great to be on.

We also have Stylianos Scott Cardolas, who is an organizer and member with what he think the little tongue in chief described as the right wing side of this debate here with New York DSA, he was also a delegate at the convention.

And is a podcaster with a left podcast called left on red, adorable name, love a pun. Welcome, Scott.

Thank you.

I'm happy to be here and it's Carl Lee.

Oh, Carl Lee.

I'm sorry.

You're so good.

You're so good.

I can't believe what you're the last name Carl Lee.

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