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. All right. So as many of you are aware, there was a DSA convention a few weeks ago that really, I think, in some ways, crystallized the debate, tension, happy disagreements that have been happening on the left in the post-Burney 2020 era

about how the left broadly should proceed, how the Democratic Socialists of America

specifically should proceed, whether or not various high-profile members of the DSA are actually good avatars for the movement.

And I'm so glad, one, to have had that event, generally speaking, and two, to have two people

who represent kind of different sides of that argument, join on bad faith today to kind of

flesh out both what happened there at the convention

and what the kind of internal conversations to DSA are because I do think there's a perception

that, you know, DSA thinks one thing, whereas Socialist alternative will think another thing

and that there is a kind of uniformity of belief within DSA. I until recently was a DSA member. I know that many people are both

DSA and Socialist Alternative, and I think it is much more productive than kind of flinging around

claims of entreeism and the like, just sit down with folks to have a good faith conversation

about what this is all about. So without further ado, we have Philip

Locker, who is with the Reform and Revolution Caucus, which you can find at Reform and Revolution.org,

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