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This is a high-risk investment and you should not expect to be protected if something goes wrong. Welcome to the long form podcast. I am Aaron Lamer. I'm here with my co-host Max Linsky and

Evan Ratliff. Today on the program, Max Lky talked to David Grant.

So for anyone who doesn't know who David is, he is a staff writer at the New Yorker.

He's also an author of the Law City of Z, which actually grew out of a New Yorker story about the Amazon and he has a collection the Devil and Sherlock Holmes

All of us are huge fans it would be almost fair to say this entire podcast was one long con for us to get to talk to David

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