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I am back at the home office after a week out of town, a week of vacation, road trip with the family up to Ohio, California.

I don't know if you're not familiar with it.

It's a little like Bukalic mountain town about two hours from L.A.

Not even.

But it feels like you're way away.

It's sort of nice.

And we had a good time.

It was good to get out of the city.

Nice to get some fresh air.

Nice to see some stars in the sky. which we don't normally see because they're

washed out by light pollution and obscured by police helicopters. So that was enjoyable. My

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