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Trump versus the administrative

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Hey, Rich.

How are you?

Good, Handy.

You?

I'm okay.

I know we talk about this every week, but I got to say, I had forgotten how exhausting Trump is. And I kind of think

he's more exhausting this time than he was last time. Of course, you know, when you're in the

middle of something, you always think the here and now is in some ways better, worse, or at least

different than anything you've ever gone through before.

But I have a feeling like Trump had, it's such an unusual model, but it's like he had four years

as president. So he kind of learned how to do the job. Nobody who's not in the job can possibly

know what the job is like. I mean, there's only so much

you can learn from talking to the few other people alive who had the job. And then I think he spent

four years basically learning how to be president. And then very unusually, he had four years to

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