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Very Bad Wizards

Episode 289: Shadows on the Wall (Plato's Cave Pt. 1)

Very Bad Wizards

Tamler Sommers & David Pizarro

Society & Culture, Philosophy

4.83K Ratings

🗓️ 23 July 2024

⏱️ 72 minutes

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Summary

Over the years we’ve referred repeatedly to Plato’s cave, Platonic forms, and phrases like “copies of copies” without ever really explaining what we mean by these things. So as part of a new mini-series we’re going dive deeper into Plato’s famous images of the cave, the sun, and the divided line from Republic Books 6 and 7. What are Plato’s forms and how do they fit into the overall structure of his most famous dialogue? How does the form of the good relate to the other forms? What are the mystical elements of the cave metaphor? (Note: this is part one of a two-part discussion).

Plus, if we could go back in time and give one piece of professional advice to a younger version of ourselves, what would that be?

Plato's allegory of the cave (this has a couple of useful illustrations) [wikipedia.org]

Republic (Hackett Classics) translated by G.M.A. Grube [amazon.com affiliate link]

(you can get full text PDF files of Plato's Republic for free all over the internet, but this is the version we're using)

Let us know where we should hold our 300th episode listener meet-up [surveymonkey.com]

Transcript

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0:00.0

Very Bad Wizards is a podcast with a philosopher, my dad, and a psychologist Dave Vizarro,

0:06.0

having an informal discussion about issues and science and ethics.

0:09.4

Please note that the discussion contains bad words that I'm not allowed to say and knowing my dad

0:14.5

some very inappropriate jokes. You know anything too hard in life is not worth doing

0:19.4

remember that. Okay. Like snowboarding or martial arts, you know?

0:24.0

Pottery.

0:25.0

Right.

0:26.0

Or, um, math.

0:28.0

Right.

0:29.0

But my point is, Brendan, if you're not immediately good at something, why do it? The waiting us has spoken. Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.

0:43.0

Who are you?

0:49.0

Who are you?

0:50.0

Who are you?

0:52.0

A very bad man. I'm A very bad man.

0:54.0

I'm a very good man.

0:55.0

Good man.

0:57.0

They think deep thoughts and with no more brains than you have.

1:03.0

May no attention to that man.

1:07.0

Anybody can have a brain.

1:11.0

You're a very bad man.

1:15.0

I'm a very good man.

1:18.0

Just a very bad wizard.

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