Welcome everybody to Crystal Kylanne.

Today we're talking to journalist Garrison Lovely.

He's the author of this book,

Obsolete, The AI Industries Trillion Dollar Race to replace us and how to stop it.

Thanks, Garrison, for joining us.

We appreciate it.

Thanks for having me.

So wanted to start with some imminent breaking news, which is SpaceX is about to go public.

The valuation, according to a lot of experts, seems to be insane, but I want to get your

take on that.

And it's going to not only turn Elon Musk into a

trillionaire, it's also going to mint 4,400 new millionaires who are employees at SpaceX. So I wonder

what you make of the IPO its significance and whether you agree that the valuation seems to be

way out of whack with the level of revenue that they're

generating at this point.

Yeah, I mean, their prospectus has like these insane total addressable markets of like

many trillions of dollars for all of space and like these huge, huge numbers.

I mean, SpaceX has a pretty compelling business.

I mean, you talked about it with the best sign, but the Starlink product in particular is, like, actually an impressive thing.

Its AI offering has not been as impressive, and their employees have left a lot of the co-founders are gone.

Yeah.

I mean, Graf kind of sucks compared to some of the, like, open AI and, uh, anthropics. And it used to be better. It's gotten worse, actually, I would say, personally. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I use it to search tweets and it like is not very good at that. It's like what is your purpose? There was a period where it seemed like XAI was able to quickly close the gap by using

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