Hello, I'm Adrian Dobb.

And I'm Lordan.

And whether we like it or not, we're in bed with the right.

So, Adrian, today we are continuing our great epic Wagner series.

And we have a really special guest.

Yes, we're very excited to be joined by Alex Ross, who has written a 700-page book on

the Wagner legacy.

So really the perfect person to talk.

It is a doorstop.

It is a massive book.

I can lift weights with the thing.

I'm impressed that you can do it with one with one off because I would need, I would need both. Alex is as formidable as his book is. He has been the music

critic at the New Yorker since 1996. He is the author of The Rest is Noise, listening to the 20th century.

His big Wagner opus, Wagnerism, art and the politics in the shadow of music.

And he has received both the MacArthur Fellowship and the Guggenheim Fellowship, as well as an

Arts and Letters Award from the American Academy of Arts and Letters. And he is also, we should

say, a real mensch who was so generous with his expertise and his time. And I think

there's nobody. I would rather go on this weird journey into the wacky, wonderful world of

Rehart Wagner with Pauliq's Ross. Again, you're doing it for the third time. I mean,

just a big shout out, big tip of my hat to you following us into these like the weird wilds yet again.

Okay, but it is so much weirder, Adrian, than I as a civilian had ever anticipated.

Oh, yeah.

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