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Subscribe now. What is up, everybody, and welcome to episode 279 of the Talking Chop podcast i am your host brad roland it is

friday evening it's over than i would normally record but that's because this person was available

i wanted them to come on the podcast and the timing worked out so i'm joined this evening by friend of the

podcast previous guest jo luci of awful announcing is here. Hello.

Thanks for having me, Brad. My blood sugar is up and I'm ready to go.

Good, good stuff there, Joe. Okay. So our plan, as people probably saw, but I clicked on the

podcast, is to discuss the NL East today. We will do a little bit of Braves. I want to get Joe's

thoughts probably near the end of the podcast.

But every year I like to take at least one decent look at the rest of the division before the season starts.

And Joe observes all of baseball, which is helpful in this instance.

And of course, there are three teams why they consider it to be legitimate, like maybe playoff contenders in the East, aside

from the Braves, so four in total. And then the, and then you have the Marlins who made the playoffs

last year. They played the Braves in a playoff series. I kind of forgot that, honestly. Just to be

honest with you, not that they played the Braves, but I forgot that Marlins were in the playoffs,

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