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Hey, I'm Steph remind you that bonus episode number 50 is available now

on Patreon, which is kind of nuts. There are a whole 50 other episodes that you can get access to

over there that our patrons voted on. So they're really interesting cases. And you get access to

a bunch of other fun perks. So if you like what we're doing and you want to support the show, go to

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And feel free to binge away. It's something I enjoy doing and do frequently. So no shame.

But today I'm going to be talking about a cult. And I have a lot to talk about. So let's get right into it because this is a big one.

This case contains graphic details that may be distressing to

some. Listener discretion is advised. On October 12, 2015, a white minivan raced into the parking lot of

St. Luke's Hospital in Utica, New York. A 59-year-old woman named Debbie Leonard jumped out of the

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