I don't agree with you.

No, neither of these candidates are rising to that level.

And if they want to, they can.

Nobody's stopping them.

Because it's not a personal thing.

It's about what we owe working people.

And what I owe working people right now is to not fuel any illusions whatsoever in either of these candidates.

I'm sorry, that's just the way it is. I'm thrilled to be joined again on Bad Faith podcast by Shama Swant.

You know her, you love her.

She's the one that has broadly popularized, I think, socialist alternative among so many of you.

It's been so hardened to hear how many of you have reached out and looked into joining the organization, going to events, and really see it as one of the most robust, most constructive organizing groups in America

today, especially after we have suffered a number of disappointments, which we will get into

in this episode. So welcome back, Shama. Thank you so much for having me back, Brianna.

So before we get into, shall we say, the failures of the progressive movement, at least the more institutionalized progressive movement,

you've had some recent successes with Socialist Alternative in Seattle.

Yes, we were able to, on February 21st, make Seattle the first jurisdiction globally outside South Asia to ban caste-based

discrimination. And for those of you are not from of South Asian origin, it may not be familiar to you,

but caste oppression is a manifest itself similar to racial oppression or gender oppression.

And so if you march for Black Lives Matter, then this should matter to you.

And so this is an electrifying historic victory that has captured the imagination of

absolutely millions across the world.

In fact, my family in India was, you know, sending me this pictures of newspapers from

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