All right and welcome to episode 27 of I don't speak German a podcast in which I talk about the terrible terrible things that like people who want to commit mass and murder say to each other when they think no one like me is listening

Today Jack will not be joining us as usual because he's got a life.

But I am joined by not one but two brilliant wonderful journalists

who have each written books on these and relevant topics.

I'm joined by Alexander Reed Ross and Shane Burley. Say hello guys.

Howdy. Hey, well thanks for having this on. Oh no, not at all. I mean obviously I was I always kind of feel bad about

reaching out to people mostly because I feel like nobody wants to do my dinky little

podcast but this is definitely something nice for me and I think the audience will appreciate it as well.

Because you both individually and I presume together know far more about the particular topic that I'm hoping we're going to kind of hover around

and that is the history of white nationalism, far-right extremism in the Pacific Northwest

and specifically. I get a lot of requests to kind of discuss these kinds of topics and honestly I'm just not as plugged into that as I would like to be and so I think this is going to be kind of a casual chat but I think hopefully we can kind of cover a lot of those issues on the show.

So yeah, I guess we should just get started.

We'll kind of do the plugs at the end,

if that's okay with everybody.

Who wants to start?

What's important to know about the history of white nationalism in say Oregon to pick its date at random?

So actually you want a riff on Oregon?

Yeah, I mean I think like with the, you know, the most obvious part of the history of

Oregon is that it was established as a white nationalist state.

It was established as a totally exclusionary, you know, white man's utopia, partly as a way of avoiding the problems of the civil war.

I think people who established the Constitution of Oregon were

extremely racist and they didn't want to get dragged into a kind of questions that

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