Okay, it's 8 April on the year of alert 2023. It is Holy Saturday, the traditional Christ

descent into hell to, I guess, Dr. Williams, it would be too free, the pagans and the Jews

and others that had been in limbo prior to his death and resurrection. You make a strong

argument in the book about this persecution of Christians going to get a lot nastier,

a lot more dangerous and what is to come. You single out courage as one of the virtues

or the virtue that we have to depend upon. But can you walk our audience through on this

holiest of all days in the good Friday and Holy Saturday, the most somber of all days

in the Christian calendar? What is to come and how can they help to prepare for it?

Well, I think courage is so important because it's like the forgotten virtue of our day. It

used to be something that was front and center of classical civilization. They would talk

about the four cardinal virtues, prudence, justice, fortitude, and temperance, fortitude,

courage, this ability to stand fast in the face of opposition is something that we hear

very, very little about today. Everything is supposed to be easy. If it hurts you, take

a pill, if it body, lie down, take a time out, do whatever it is, we don't realize that

a big part of human life and a big part of Christian life is being willing to stand

up to opposition. It's being willing to stay in the fray even when your life's on the

line, even when your personal property, your personal goods, your personal well-being

are all on the line. And courage is a virtue boy. Holy week and good Friday that we just

lived is right with us. Look at Jesus on the cross. I mean, that's for our admiration,

our gratitude, yes, but also that's an example of the witness, the faithfulness unto death

that Christians are called to live. And this is something, this is our model. This is

our role model of what it means to actually live our faith to the full. And I think that

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